Will the Tamil aspirations be buried by the Diaspora’s memories?

originally published on GroundViews. http://www.groundviews.org/2009/06/01/will-the-tamil-aspirations-be-buried-by-the-diaspora%E2%80%99s-memories/

I was just watching a past episode of the ‘Riz Khan’ show which is available on YouTube and the subject for discussion was what the future holds for the Tamil people.

The three panelists consisted of the former Sri Lankan ambassador to the US and Mexico, a human rights activist and Ms. Jananayagam, a spokesperson for London based ‘Tamils against Genocide’. Ms. Jananayagam is also in the running for the European Parliament elections according to TamilNet.

Now while the entire aim of the panel discussion seemed to be on looking at what the future holds for the Tamil people now that the war’s over, I was pretty surprised to see the spokesperson for ‘Tamils against Genocide’ seemed only interested in talking about what has happened in the past. In fact, such was the focus of this lady that she even saw fit to speak about incidents that took place within one year of Sri Lanka gaining independence!

Now correct me if I’m wrong here, but I was under the impression she had been invited to talk about the future of the Tamil people, not about their past. I don’t believe anyone is denying the fact that there were incidents in the past that contributed to the entire war, but should we as a people allow ourselves to be bogged down by the past? I would rather think that we need to use this opportunity to move forwards towards reconciliation and a lasting peace that addresses the aspirations of the people of Sri Lanka. Not just one segment, but ALL of the people.

IMHO, the former ambassador was the only person on the panel who stuck resolutely to the subject at hand and kept reiterating the need to let go of past hatred and ill feeling. He kept constantly calling for the need to understand and move on from the past. Unfortunately it seemed the one person invited to speak on behalf of the Tamil Diaspora seemed only able to stick to the Diaspora party line of ‘genocide’ and ‘ethnic cleansing’. In fact she seemed highly cynical of there ever being any form of reconciliation between the Tamil and Sinhalese people!

It was sad to see that when asked to discuss the future aspirations of the Tamil people, Ms. Jananayagam could only focus on the fact that Diaspora Tamils are in a state of shock and mourning and want only to see justice executed against the Government of Sri Lanka (GOSL). There was absolutely no indication of the Diaspora seeing any hope for the future!

It seems obvious that Ms. Jananayagam doesn’t believe in any future for the Tamils in Sri Lanka other than what is dictated to them by the Diaspora. The Tamil people, whether they liked it or not, have been constantly forced to go along with the aspirations of the Tamil Diaspora who tirelessly provided funding for the LTTE to carry on with their armed struggle for independence. I wonder if these Diaspora members who continue to carry a torch for an independent Tamil homeland have ever stopped to consider the views of the Tamil people who’re actually on the ground in Sri Lanka?

IMHO, it’s high time the Tamil Diaspora realized that their single-minded and almost obsessive focus on a separate nation has wreaked untold damage and suffering on the Tamil people. In fact it was this same obsessive thinking that eventually led to the LTTE holding their own people as human shields, whilst claiming to be their saviours! Even at this juncture in time, when faced with the unshakable evidence that 30 years of war have not been able to achieve this goal, they continue to cling mindlessly to this dream!

It’s not very hard for most people to see that more than a future for the Tamil people, what the Diaspora wants is for their twisted version of justice and fair play to be made a reality. Their dream needs to see light even if it means bankrupting the GOSL and making everybody, including the Tamils, suffer for the sins committed many years ago. They also seem totally unable to see that continuing with this course of action is only going to keep this ‘beggar’s wound’ of a conflict festering for many more generations to come!

So I believe its time for the Tamils of Sri Lanka to stand up and decide for themselves what they want for the future, and not let Ms. Jananayagam and the Diaspora bury these aspirations under yet another load of hate and rhetoric.

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54 Responses to “Will the Tamil aspirations be buried by the Diaspora’s memories?”

  1. Chavie Says:

    nicely said TKRP… it’s honestly scary to see how much racial hatred is going on at the moment, and most of them come from Sinhalese and Tamil members of the diaspora… The fundamental idea that Sinhalese and Tamils are and can live together somehow escapes most of them… or maybe they’re itching to create some more racially-motivated violence so that they can get extensions on those refugee visas of theirs… 😕

  2. Bruce Says:

    Look at the trouble the Cuban diaspora have caused for Cuba for almost 50 years now. It seems to be a sad, but common reality, that those who have left their troubled land of birth remain fixated on the past. The Sri Lankans in country will hopefully have the wherewithal to regenerate their country in spite of interference from the diaspora.

    Very well-written post.

  3. DD Says:

    Well said Pauly. Jaffna before the LTTE was the second largest commercial capital in Sri Lanka and Tamil culture flourished.
    I believe that racism is part and parcel of the whole world and we pay for it through the birth of terrorism. Unfortunately the Tamil Diaspora believe in an armed struggle to overcome racism in Sri Lanka, not economic prosperity and social development which are far better tools to fight racism.
    Put a square meal in everyones stomach, give them an education, a future.
    Much better than funding a T56 in their arms.
    I live in one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world. I am amazed at the racism and racial bias that exists here behind carefully closed walls and every races own enclave. This is life, this is the world today. Few fight it, every community lives to it own.
    The Sri Lankan diaspora live shit lives here; whatever race they may be from. The Tamil diaspora however prefer this to the life they could live in a free Sri Lanka mainly because of 1983 and Praba.
    Both are past – We need to talk peace and reconciliation now. The Tamil diaspora funded the LTTE to become a quasi – government, just imagine the good they could do in the north now by mobilizing the same kind of fundraising?

  4. David Blacker Says:

    DD, the thing is I’m not sure that ability to mobilize (either for good or bad) is there. The supporters for Eelam within the diaspora didn’t involve themselves in the actual struggle. They paid the Tigers to conduct the struggle as they saw fit, and in turn the Tigers destroyed all alternate opinions. The LTTE was the Eelamists only connection to the struggle. Now that the Tigers are gone, I’m not sure the Eelamists within the diaspora have any way of regaining that lost involvement in the short term. Whether this will happen long-term remains to be seen.

  5. DD Says:

    Davy agreed. Can they now use the same network already in place that collected and disbursed funds for development in the north?

  6. Archangel Says:

    I believe you will always have people, mostly former moderates swept up in triumphalistic euphoria, agreeing with you.

    But the people that matter as far as this post is concerned are Sri Lankan Tamils with a genuine grievance. The diaspora continues to thrive only because their relatives here are not given the space to express any, let alone moderate, opinions.

    I doubt a single Tamil that has lived or has interests in the North and East will agree with you. And that’s just the thing. You wouldn’t care.

    The real issue has a lot to do with the past. You cannot simply erase it. We would all like to deny its existence, because it is inconvenient. But any future that seeks to ignore the past, the baggage we carry, is contrived and doomed to result in a repeat telecast of past failures. There is a story to be told here, and without discussing its truth openly and reconciling the issue as far as possible, this country will continue to be insensitive to its minorities.

    Tamils have already stood up and decided for themselves as to what they want. Ideally. Let’s not forget the VR and the mandate of the TULF. That was the last time the Tamil people of this country voted genuinely within a democratic framework. But now they can never get the kind of self-determination they once desired and their choices are dwindling fast. One of my friends pointed out that the discussion at present has deteriorated to a ’13th Amendment minus’ solution. So the least we can offer them is an admission to the truth, where everyone will display their unclean hands.

    I’m afraid your post is oblivious to the realities that surround us. Speak to your Tamil friends if you have any. And listen this time.

    TYFR

    • thekillromeoproject Says:

      @ Archangel – You seem to have been really quick to jump to the conclusion that I have no Tamil friends. The truth of the matter is that not only do I have Tamil friends, my mum’s a Tamil and I have relatives living abroad who were seriously affected in the 83 riots. The reality is I don’t see or hear of them campaigning for a separate state. They’ve had the intelligence and grace to move on with their lives without letting the bitterness destroy them and their children. I believe the same courtesy should be accorded to the Tamils of Sri Lanka by the segment of the Diaspora that’s still shouting ‘Eelam’.

  7. Archangel Says:

    Actually, I’ve read a bit of your brother’s novel so I know you are half Tamil. Hence the irony.

    My comment is not about you not knowing Tamils. It’s about tagging yourself as the Tamil version of an Uncle Tom. Look that one up, because I don’t want to call you a house-nigger.

    You seem to care less about what Tamil’s really think and more about aligning yourself with the newfangled neo-patriotism that Colombo’s elite has stumbled upon. All of us mourned and moaned over Lasantha’s death. And now we want to ignore what is going on here and start “afresssshh”. History is not a blackboard, my friend. We need to listen to what the oppressed people really want. And even if we can’t provide it, we should not be oblivious to it.

    The diaspora (minus the few Blacker relatives that have moved on to greener pastures, which incidentally indicates that the generalization “diaspora” was a poorly conceived one), is a manifestation of the desire for the ideal solution for most Tamils. It will always be around to support a struggle for self determination. The only way to pull the ideological rug from underneath the collective diaspora feet is to start listening and reconciling with those unfortunate members of the minorities that lingered here.

    TYFR
    TYFR

  8. thekillromeoproject Says:

    @ Archangel – its a bit hard for me to tag myself as being an ‘Uncle Tom’ when I have never seen myself as being totally Tamil. 🙂

    Definitely we need to listen to the Tamils who are in Sri Lanka. My issue is that the more vociferous members of the Diaspora seem to have elected themselves the official spokesman for these people.

    Seems to ring a bell with the claim the LTTE used to make about being the sole voice of the Tamil people. A claim that was strenuously backed by these very same Diaspora segments.

  9. Archangel Says:

    I agree that the diaspora can be irritating to those who don’t really believe in self determination for the Tamils. But I hope not to categorize you as a non-believer notwithstanding the self categorization – half, quarter, full Tamil – whatever you like.

    Surely you see the point in having a vociferous lobby group out there asking for Eelam when the objective is for someone to take notice of alternatives and give into some arrangement for devolution? For many Tamils, that was the purpose the LTTE served for a long long time. Of course, things went sour because the LTTE realized that they are merely the gatekeepers and not the inheritors of the solution. Which is why they deliberately sabotaged many opportunities…except maybe PTOMS. But as long as the LTTE was around, the moderate Tamil voice seemed reasonable to everyone. Now that it isn’t we seem to be discussing ways and means of downgrading even the 13th amendment. So the diaspora is now vocally carrying out the task that many militant groups carried out during the militant phase of the Tamil struggle. It is the dawn of a new phase in the struggle. We are back to the exchange of words.

    So unless we empower the local moderate Tamil voice…and there are certainly options available, the diaspora will continue to make claims to be the sole representatives of Tamils. The silent/silenced moderate voice will be thankful (though not fully supportive) to the diaspora.

    TYFR

  10. thekillromeoproject Says:

    @ Archangel – I get your point about how the more vociferous elements of the Diaspora also do have a role to play in the future of the Tamil people in Sri Lanka. Namely keeping the issue top of mind and making the decision makers look for a more toned down option that’s still more than they would offer in the absence of these elements.

    My personal worry is that it might have the reverse effect. There’s a chance the repeated calling for a separate state may turn Sinhalese hardliners within the decision making process even more hawkish and unrelenting.

    Calling the present powers that be ‘murderers’ and ‘Nazis’ and accusing them of ‘genocide’ is certainly not going to make them more open to the rights of the Tamils. I’m fairly certain a lot of them see the vociferous elements within the Diaspora as traitors who are trying to destroy Sri Lanka’s economy by calling for economic sanctions.

  11. Archangel Says:

    Your personal worry is justified. But here is the problem. Admittedly Sinhalese hardliners will react in an increasingly “hawkish” and “unrelenting” fashion. And this in turn will legitimize the extreme elements within the Tamil struggle. The vicious cycle is perpetuated.

    You see, you cannot expect one party to be “the bigger person” here because there is an inherent lack of trust. That is why perhaps at the very least, a truth and reconciliation commission will be helpful.

    The sinhalese hardliners see separatism as evil, while the separatists see the sinhala hardliners as incapable of giving them anything else which is substantial. And so the moderate voices are reduced to bystanders in a sidewalk brawl secretly cheering their respective fighters. It’s when one emerges victorious that the silent supporters come out of the woodwork.

    The diaspora can be damaging, but you cannot blame it for not trusting the Sinhalese. It will no longer care what the hardline Sinhala reaction would be. In fact, it will welcome it as being the racist norm. What we really have to do is eliminate the need for such an extreme voice. A call for Eelam will sound absurd ONLY when a viable and mutually agreeable solution is provided to the minorities in Sri Lanka.

    TYFR

  12. David Blacker Says:

    There won’t be any truth & reconciliation committee. Winners in wars don’t bother with that shit.

  13. Archangel Says:

    David, I think you’re a little out of your depth here so let the smarter brother speak. He was starting to make sense.

    TYFR

  14. thekillromeoproject Says:

    @ Archangel – In order for a workable solution to be implemented, the moderate voices in the Tamil community need to make themselves heard over the mobs who are screaming ‘Eelam’ from every rooftop in the West.

    I’m sorry to have to say this, but for most Sri Lankans, the only voices we’re hearing are the voices of the extremists. Where are these moderate voices that you say should be empowered? They can’t ‘hide in the woodwork’ as you say and expect people to deal with them.

    If these moderate voices cannot make themselves heard in their own community, what hope do they have of negotiating and securing a workable solution?

    I may be wrong in this assumption, but I feel these moderates will be openly rejected by the Vociferous elements and be branded ‘traitors’ to the Tamil cause.

  15. DD Says:

    Dear Archangel
    Your comments can be best summarized as follows;
    “Your farting can be heard all over the world, unfortunately the smell’s not sufficient for people to sit up and take notice”
    Things went wrong for the Tamil Sri Lankans when the LTTE started killing any and all politicians who spoke peace and reconciliation, including all the great Tamil moderate leaders.
    THINGS WENT WRONG FOR THE TAMIL DIASPORA WHEN THE LTTE LOST THE WAR AND THEIR LEADER WAS KILLED. NOW THE DIASPORA HAVE NO CAUSE OR VOICE.
    Please don’t insult great Sri Lankan leaders who gave their life for the cause of peace and reconciliation my Tamil Diaspora friend. Get a bloody life and see how you can really help Sri Lanka rebuild.
    For the sake of the Tamils who live in Sri Lanka please stop. You are a poor loser and by trying to talk as if you talk for all Tamils in Sri Lanka, you make all of them look like IDIOTS.
    STOP!
    Please.
    You have absolutely no idea about what’s really happening in Sri Lanka you wanker.

  16. David Blacker Says:

    Archie, remember what I told you about the “send” button over on Indi? Do yo require a single syllable explanation with picture before you say “oh, I get it now”? Why don’t you reread my comment.

    The fact is, victors don’t bother with introspection. They didn’t bother in Nuremburg, they didn’t bother in Tokyo, they didn’t bother in Baghdad, and they won’t bother in Colombo.

    The famed Truth & Reconciliation Committees of post-Apartheid SA came after members of the white regime (the defeated) were tried and convicted of crimes. The T&RCs were a follow-up to this. Holding one’s breath for this to happen in SL is quite unrealistic.

    You yourself have said that the UK and other governments don’t care. So who does? The toothless UN and a few Brit journos who’ll lose interest in a few months.

    SL isn’t composed of Colombo. Grow up, Archie, and grow a point while you’re at it.

  17. Archangel Says:

    Paul, I guess where we really disagree is in terms of our willingness to listen to moderate voices. In an environment such as this, I think -and I’m fairly sure you would appreciate this point- we need to create the space for moderate voices to be heard. If one studies the TNA transformation for instance, you would notice that they abandoned the call for a separate state and divorced itself from the LTTE ideology. However, no one took notice of this transformation and merely categorized the TNA as LTTE stooges. Now the TNA is deteriorating and it is difficult to speculate how long the EPDP and TMVP will play ball with the Government.

    My prayer is that this opportunity is not lost. It is the first time in history that a government proposal cannot be filibustered by a jealous Opposition. If a real solution is on the cards, it is this regime that can see it through. However, one has to admit, the trend that is being created and the sort of proposals being discussed at present indicates otherwise. I pray I am wrong and political prudence prevails.

    DD, you are a true gem. May the Good Lord bless you. And may your comprehension of the English language improve with every misplaced accusation and misconceived assumption.

    TYFR

    • thekillromeoproject Says:

      @ Archangel – “Paul, I guess where we really disagree is in terms of our willingness to listen to moderate voices.”

      At no point in our conversation have I said I’m unwilling to listen to the moderate voices. Whatever solution that happens will only come from the moderates on both sides. The problem is these moderates are, to use your own words, too busy ‘hiding in the woodwork’ and letting the extremists once again hijack the entire process.

      My issue was and still is the fact that the vociferous elements of the Tamil Diaspora are drowning out the moderate voices with their rhetoric and demonstrations, and in the process burying whatever chances there are for an amicable and peaceful settlement.

  18. Archangel Says:

    David, I’m sorry for hurting your feelings. My friends tell me I’m hitting you bellow the belt.

    Yes, you are right. The GoSL will never voluntarily propose such a Commission. But the idea still stands. Moderate voices ought to call for it. If everyone opted to roll over and play dead like them pseudo-intellectuals, every time something wouldn’t be “initiated” by a victorious government, then I fear we shall never reconcile our differences. We need to make it known that truth and reconciliation is the bear minimum where reconciliation is a necessity for future progress.

    Nuremburg, Tokyo and Baghdad are instances where internal reconciliation was never a priority. In SA it was, and that is why despite calls for the trying of Apartheid policy makers for crimes against humanity, the victorious ANC opted for a T&C Commission.

    TYFR

  19. David Blacker Says:

    Archie, I’m told that’s about as far as you can reach 😉

    Glad to see the tube light’s finally flickered to life down there. Yes, the T&RC is a great idea. Unfortunately, that’s all it’ll be. If you wanna have a debate on it, cool. Pointless, but cool.

    The examples given to you were where reconciliation wasn’t a priority for the victors, internal or otherwise. The losers were tried and, in the case of Germany & Japan, the defeated nations rebuilt. There was no ambivalence over who was right and who was wrong. Amongst the diaspora the debate on rights and wrongs maybe there, but in SL it doesn’t exist. With all the ambivalence on the JVP suppression, there’s never been any attempt at reconciliation or justice. There won’t be for the Tamils either. The best justice they should strive for is to rebuild the northeast. There’s nothing so just as success.

    The nationalist Tamil diaspora can beat their drums and call for anything they like. It won’t matter. It’s too late to regain the relevance they lost.

    Any luck with that point?

  20. Archangel Says:

    Sorry, when I mean “our willingness”, I meant the majority in Sri Lanka. Not your personal willingness.

    Where we disagree is on the willingness of the Sinhala majority to listen to Tamil moderate voices. The present approach will result in the following:
    1. Reliance placed on the diaspora by the moderates who are either afraid or have no space to be heard.
    2. The transformation of the struggle to an transnational issue.

    My point is that it is in our (the Sinhala majority) interests to empower the Tamil moderate voices instead of calling on the diaspora to halt their rantings. It is stupid to expect the diaspora to stay silent.

    However, the diaspora extremist views will reach a point of absurdity and the demand for the expression of such an ideology will be extinguished, once we (the Sinhala majority) take the initiative to reconcile and empower the Tamil moderates in SL.

    It is a simple long term strategy.

    TYFR

    • thekillromeoproject Says:

      @ Archangel – “It is a simple long term strategy.”

      I definitely agree with you on this. Asking the GOSL for overnight solutions is a bit unfair and can also lead to half baked solutions being offered just to appease the extremists on both sides.

      Let’s give the present GOSL a chance to re-settle the IDP’s (Which is of paramount importance) and then get down to working out a lasting solution that encompasses the views of both factions.

      “Where we disagree is on the willingness of the Sinhala majority to listen to Tamil moderate voices.”

      Maybe I’m being pretty naive here, but if the voices are moderate, I believe the Sinhalese majority will have no objections to listening to them.

  21. David Blacker Says:

    Archie, most of the moderate Tamil voices in SL have been wiped out, not by the GoSL, but by the LTTE themselves. Think this war would’ve been prosecuted in quite the same way if we had a Tamil foreign minister in place. But oops, we don’t, ‘cos the Tigers sniped his arse.

    So what’s left? Karuna & Pilliyan? Douglas & Anandasangaree? Good luck with them. The TNA? Still trying to pull their heads out of their backsides and figure out what to do now that VP’s gone.

    That leaves the so-called moderates amongst the Tamil diaspora. But they’re too far away. They can’t hear you in Hambantota when you’re shouting from Scarborough or Manchester. The moderate Tamil diaspora stood by while the Tigers wiped out all alternate Tamil voices and sent suicide bombers to kill presidents and prime ministers. The moderate Tamil voice in the diaspora hasn’t any credibility on the ground in SL, and like it or not, that’s where policy is being made.

  22. Archangel Says:

    And when I mean a “transnational issue”…I don’t necessarily mean that the international community will get involved. I only mean that the struggle will become transnational. It will become a sticky affair. A militant movement within the diaspora, possibly attacking Sri Lankan targets overseas (similar to the transformation of the Palestinian struggle where we witnessed numerous overseas attacks), will become highly problematic.

    TYFR

    • thekillromeoproject Says:

      “militant movement within the diaspora, possibly attacking Sri Lankan targets overseas (similar to the transformation of the Palestinian struggle where we witnessed numerous overseas attacks), will become highly problematic.”

      This is exactly what I mean Archangel, if the extremists in the Tamil Diaspora cannot see the wisdom in backing down and letting the moderates speak for them, all they will achieve in doing is shooting the Tamil aspirations in the foot.

      This is what the LTTE did for over 30 years, and now these extremists seem to want to continue down the same path. They need to accept that confrontation is not going to get them what 3 decades of war could not.

      They will simply be labeled as terrorists and give the extremists from the other side every excuse not to negotiate.

  23. DD Says:

    Archie, nothing changes, the LTTE lost, the was is over, the Tamil Tigers are FINISHED. The fat lady has sung my friend.
    Got it?
    And your still a wanker. You impress nor convince with your sadly misplaced rhetoric.
    What’s really clear is that people like you are completely responsible for the misery the Tamil people of Sri Lanka endure.
    Wanker! 🙂

  24. Disco Bob Says:

    Disco Bob finds the rampant lack of faith in the men with moustaches appalling. They shall find the way. Amen.

  25. Agradevaduta Says:

    Paul,

    I think I might summarize this discussion. I must say I quite enjoyed it.

    WE AGREE:

    That the moderate Tamil voices need to be heard
    That the Tamil diaspora is extremist and potentially dangerous
    That Sinhalese extremism is damaging if not managed
    That this regime has the potential to implement a sustainable solution

    WE DISAGREE
    In respect of who should initiate the process of permitting the moderate voice to be heard.

    YOU SAY
    The diaspora should back down and let the moderates take over

    I SAY
    The GoSL should take the initiative and not wait for the diaspora to make the first move

    WE HOPE
    This government will not lose this opportunity

    I CONCLUDE

    That neither will take the initiative. Because there is an inherent, and a rightly placed, lack of trust.

    THIS IS WHY we need Truth and Reconciliation to re-establish this lost trust. It is not a case of accusing people. It is simply a case of sharing blame.

    One last question, perhaps academic, for your consideration:

    THE DIASPORA (as generalized by you) is a group of scattered individuals with varying degrees of extremism and no central leadership or political direction.

    THE GOVERNMENT is possibly the first regime with undisputed public support and virtually no opposition.

    Who can we reasonably expect to take the first step here? Who is in fact responsible to do so?

    TYFR

    • thekillromeoproject Says:

      I believe the GOSL will definitely make the first move by proposing what they see to be the best solution to the issues at hand. But it will take the involvement of the Tamil people to make whatever is decided on a reality. Clinging stubbornly to a certain set of demands will just derail the entire process.

  26. Archangel Says:

    Hello Disco. I was waiting for someone intelligent to take the hard line stance. Being stuck with the likes of DD was getting tiresome.

    David, I really don’t want to get into this already saturated discussion again, but I’m afraid you have missed the point. The victors that didn’t think of T&R had no incentive to re-establish trust amongst communities. The GoSL has every reason to desire this, as SA did. This is the crucial distinction you fail to fathom.

    Your comments are descriptive and not constructive.

    You’ve pointed out that the GoSL is not interested in T&R. Wow. Nice call. Yes, we figured that one out. Thanks for stating the obvious. But from what I can decipher from your response, it seems you agree that it would be beneficial, in principle, if the GoSL were to introduce T&R. You tacitly accept its usefulness in terms of rebuilding trust. This discussion, as far as I’m concerned, ends there.

    TYFR

  27. David Blacker Says:

    If you think that the western Allies had no incentive to win the trust of the German population as they proceeded into the Cold War against the USSR, well, I guess this IS a good point for you to end this conversation. 😀

    Yes, reconciliation is essential. Whether a T&RC would bring that about is arguable.

  28. Archangel Says:

    You need to brush up on your history, mate. The U.S strategy for Germany was heavily influenced by the East-West divide. Winning the trust of the German people was not top priority compared to maintaining the trust of U.S citizens.

    If you really want to draw a parallel…I suggest you think again, because what you are clumsily suggesting is deeply racist. I can’t be bothered spoon feeding you an explanation. Let’s hope the family genes were spread wide enough for you to comprehend it. Also, it might interest you that a model for T&R hadn’t even been conceived at that point.

    Ask yourself this. Why was T&R considered so important in SA and N Ireland?

    This is getting pointless. I think I don’t quite respect your opinions on the ethnic conflict yet because they are only descriptive. And this is going to lead to unnecessary banter. I will engage you perhaps on cricket or military strategy. Let us not insult each other any further.

    TYFR

  29. David Blacker Says:

    There was no doubt about the continued trust of US citizens.

    As for genes, it’s a pity your parents didn’t keep theirs on.

    Hopefully your grasp of cricket and military strategy is better than what you’ve displayed of history and English.

  30. Slimy Guy Hater Says:

    Jeans you mean? 🙂

    TYFR

    • thekillromeoproject Says:

      So, are you a guy hater who is slimy… or …. a hater of slimy guys? Just checking out of curiosity here.

  31. Archangel Says:

    Well, a T&R commission may have got a lot of U.S citizens going “wtf?”. Not something you want to experiment with if you were the U.S Government, considering post WW history.

    You’re a clever little Pun-dith aren’t you…I’ve grown fond of you, Blacker, and I hope you haven’t taken this personally. This is all just fun and games to me. So whenever I sense malice in a response, I prefer to end cordially.

    TYFR

  32. David Blacker Says:

    “Well, a T&R commission may have got a lot of U.S citizens going “wtf?”. Not something you want to experiment with if you were the U.S Government, considering post WW history.”

    Pretty much the same here in SL. Hope it’s finally sinking in.

    I rarely take personal attacks from faceless online entities seriously, Archie. It’s also a pity you didn’t choose to begin this discussion cordially too, instead of using the route of personal insults. Maybe next time.

  33. Archangel Says:

    Ooops. And that was the analogy I feared.

    “If you really want to draw a parallel…I suggest you think again, because what you are clumsily suggesting is deeply racist.”

    You’re just too much fun.

    TYFR

  34. David Blacker Says:

    It’s nothing to do with race. It’s why there was no inquiry into the JVP defeat, and no public demand for it. The only reason there is any debate on the matter now is because elements within the Tamil diaspora see this as a flag to rally under. In a year it’ll be forgotten.

  35. David Blacker Says:

    It’s also amusing the way words like “racist”, “terrorist”, “idiot”, etc are pulled out whenever a real argument is lacking. Swiftly followed by attacks on one’s intelligence, family, etc. Yawn.

  36. Archangel Says:

    Oh alright. You are intelligent, David Blacker. Now calm down, I didn’t intend to have this conversation with you in the first place. I apologize if you felt left out and I snapped at you for butting in. I’m bad bad girl.

    TYFR

  37. thekillromeoproject Says:

    “I’m bad bad girl.”

    Girl…???? Girl…???? :O

  38. DD Says:

    Many Tamil Diaspora will but attempt to articulate the true aspirations of the Tamil people. There is a worldwide need for diversity and true understanding of how many cultures can live in harmony. However, in whatever discussion or argument what the Tamil Diaspora refuse to accept is that Terrorism and the Tamil Tigers was and is not the answer.
    Before the LTTE, life in rural Sri Lanka, either north, south, west or east was always a struggle. The north, especially due to all previous SLGov refusing to divert the waters of the Mahaweli.
    Despite the hardships, Tamil culture and businesses flourished in the north and Jaffna was only second to Colombo as a commercial city. This is the hard truth.
    The people had three square meals a day, and a fair chance of success where ever they lived in Sri Lanka.
    I do not condone 1983, that will forever remain our country’s shame.
    Refusing to accept the irreparable damage the LTTE has caused to Sri Lanka will always remain the shame and responsibility of the Tamil Diaspora.
    I believe as much as any Tamil living in Sri Lanka that we must agitate for the end of racism and a diverse Lanka.
    Summarizing this post and all it’s comments, especially by the pro-LTTE, pro-violence Tamil Diaspora it’s very clear that all they do is continue to damage and jeopardize any chance of peace for the Tamil people of Sri Lanka.
    The country Sri Lanka, belongs to the Tamils as much as the Sinhalese. Learning from history proves that conflict sometimes and in the current world, many times will flare. In Sri Lanka’s case, out-of-control.

    Archangel, STOP. BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE FOR ANY TAMIL LIVING IN SRI LANKA. What’s ironic is that all your comments show very clearly and PROVIDE SUPPORT for Rajapakse type ‘hit you on the head with a stick’ politics. You provide and fuel good reason for people in Sri Lanka to feel glad that the Rajapakses are in power. This is very sad.
    Your desperation, apathy and dismay show all too clearly. STOP.
    And as always, you remain a wanker.
    Silly bugger, silly.

  39. DD Says:

    RIP

  40. Nayagan Says:

    Mr. TKRP,

    i responded somewhat to this post on my blog.

    But to sum up: i aint no frackin’ coward but I do see merit in the actions of the fox who ran away–at least he can combat tamil nationalism and live to tell the tale to all of his very much live and kicking relatives.

    you make a lot of generalizations that I don’t see backed up anywhere by even anecdotes.

    Fuck your generalizations and the assumptions on which they are predicated.

    I’ll speak how, when, where and on what topic I bloody well please–no amount of prompting/goading from you or anyone else could compel me to speak any sooner or later.

    Have fun for now, lobbing rotten eggs at the global elite can be an engaging pursuit, but realize that when stars of the pop culture firmament are cited as serious sources by the BBC, Bill Maher and commie rags like the Guardian, i have more of a fight on my hands for voice and access to the media bullhorn here in the West than you would to become the next prime minister of SL.

    • thekillromeoproject Says:

      @ Nayagan – “I’ll speak how, when, where and on what topic I bloody well please–no amount of prompting/goading from you or anyone else could compel me to speak any sooner or later.”

      Unfortunately this has been the attitude of 99% of the moderate Tamil voices for the past 30 years. Starting from the suicide bombings and the child soldier recruitment, right up until the LTTE were shooting the Tamil civilians trying to escape their clutches, the moderate voices in the Diaspora didn’t think it was compelling enough for them to speak!

      IMHO by the the time people like you decide to get your asses into gear, and consider it the right time to speak up, it’ll be too bloody late for you to make any difference anyway!

  41. Nayagan Says:

    What happened to the people who did speak? Were they given awards, protected by the GOSL (you know, not those weakling Tamils with their spectacles and text books), given the power to actualize their ideas? No. They either were intimidated into leaving, killed or had their legs broken.

    You don’t know the first thing about power because you’ve obviously never been powerless, never vulnerable to the point where you didn’t know where your next meal, nappies for the young one or source of income was going to be.

    If you honestly expect someone in that position to ‘speak out,’ then you’re advocating irresponsible parenting. If my mother had the time to speak out in early 80s london, then an infant would have been neglected. You’re speaking as if activism is a nonzero-sum game, but it’s most definitely zero sum. Just ask DBS. Asking everyone to sacrifice whatever chance at a happy life they had is ludicrous.

    Your whole life has been one of unwavering certainty, no? No, by the larger sri lankan community failing to protect the few who were foolish enough to think their free expression to be important enough for even strangers to protect, you failed. That’s right, if you want to talk about “we’re all sri lankans” everyone had better own up for not taking action against the illiberal gov’t you lot elected. Don’t complain about Lasantha and Poddala–it was you lot who let them be attacked. It’s all your fault. The JVP insurrection, natch. The petroleum contract, natch. Mervn Silva, natch.

    You see, that’s the rock and the hard place. Singhalese, Burgher and Muslim journalists have spoken out–and then gotten the beat down. So why didn’t more speak out? Why doesn’t every single citizen who is dissatisified in some way with current (and past) administrations simply take to ‘speaking out’ with much greater regularity? It’s because they are self-interested human beings like everybody else and reasoned, correctly, that their long term interests were better served by saying “yes” and going along with the current.

    so, since you’re not an ally, should i consider you an opponent?

    • thekillromeoproject Says:

      @ Nayagan – In spite of all the possible double speak and outrage you’ve tried to throw into your comments, It’s pretty hard to hide the fact that you’re still making excuses for your silence.

      “They either were intimidated into leaving, killed or had their legs broken.” You’re not in Sri Lanka, nor in any danger of having your legs broken, yet you and 99% of the moderate Diaspora voices still choose to be silent.

      “You don’t know the first thing about power because you’ve obviously never been powerless,”
      You also seem to love to jump to conclusions about others without any facts whatsoever to back them up. Why not read some of my earlier posts, especially the one about being arrested for ‘looking suspicious’.

      IMHO, no matter what you put up here, it finally comes back to the statement you made a little earlier.
      “I’ll speak how, when, where and on what topic I bloody well please–no amount of prompting/goading from you or anyone else could compel me to speak any sooner or later.”

      So please let me know when you think it’s the right time and when you intend to make yourself heard, if you ever plan to that is.

  42. Nayagan Says:

    i am speaking right now–you just choose not to read my blog posts.

    and DBS was attacked in Canada. Not Kandy.

    Did you sprout a womb when nobody was looking? I don’t have to make any sort of assumption to know that you haven’t gotten pregnant, fled to a foreign land and attempted to raise a child on your own. So how do you know what any of that entails? All of the people I know and am related to came here with nothing–some not even with transferable skills. Ever try finding a job as a tea-taster in the states? How about bharatanatyam teacher? Or a career civil servant in agriculture?

    That’s the context. How does a single, destitute mother, “speak out,” when there’s no realistic chance that she’ll be heard or have an impact of any kind?

    What’s the chance that my words will reach or affect anyone.

    Do you think of yourself as Tamil when you’re calling every Tamil that went abroad a coward?

    you’re essentially blaming the diaspora for not self-policing and not pissing into the wind every chance that you think they got.

    WAAnd when you’re willing to learn, rather than discount my experiences and knowledge as trash, you’re welcome to a spare room in my house.

    There’s a recession on, but, it’s nowhere near as bad as the America that my mother moved to and you won’t have a sickly child and elderly mother to support.

    if you are perturbed by the fact that i am personalizing this debate, don’t be–if you call out the entire diaspora, be prepared for at least one to show you the errors of your argumentation and logic by presenting a real example and not the strawmen and bogeys which litter your posts.

    i know the diaspora because i’m here and you’re not. how’s them apples?

  43. Nayagan Says:

    and yes, i’m calling you a disengenuous advocate of a united sri-lanka because you are calling the Diaspora cowards. I could have easily wrote post after post about how my little SL community in my middle-market city is a macrocosm of the petty insults which preclude progress of any kind. Here, we used to have SL family parties and gatherings till one Singhalese fuy decided that the 3 tamil songs they played at each one were a bit too many. It was a silly reason to suspend the parties but when I read your posts, I think of that drunkass uncle who made the complaint and choked out the Burgher band leader who dared play dirty dirty tamil songs.

    unless you’re willing to play honestly, no one in the diaspora will come back, and if you don’t want them, say so and stop complaining. After all, SL is bigger than the IC, RIGHT? You guys don’t need a damn thing from the hypocrites who dared to move away, right?

  44. Archangel Says:

    What’s this? A Tamil moderate amongst the evil diaspora!! By golly, I think the underlined presumption of your post, Paul, is being carpet bombed.

    Nayagan, I’ve visited your blog, and I am suitably impressed. People do take notice. But that means nothing today. I wish there was space in SL for logical, reasonable and sincere discourse. But there is nothing Colombo has to offer right now except for misconceived generalizations and an all round triumphalistic shedding of our liberal disguises. I’m appalled.

    TYFR

  45. james Says:

    Why don’t you get off your high horse for a bit Nayagan? I’m sure the horse is getting pretty tired of being ridden so hard.

    From what I understand, all TKRP was trying to say is that it’s very unfortunate that only the radical voices in the Diaspora can be heard right now, and that it’s high time other moderate voices made a bigger effort to voice their opinions.

    Sadly, all you’ve read in this message is a personal attack on you and your mother and used it as a starting point for endless debate.

  46. Nayagan Says:

    if he knew what he was talking about (the tamil diaspora) and slandered, i’dhave no problem with his brand of moral paddling, but he clearly doesn’t and (as we are all pragmatists now) believes that it’s reasonable to expect every member of that diaspora to have presented their own two legs for shattering. If you believe that the Tiger boosters were a minority with disproportionately powerful voice who raided the community for money and terrorized would-be dissenters, there is no logical way to argue that it necessarily follows that the terrorized and the marginalized voices had every chance and incentive to speak and simply didn’t because they were selfish bastards.

    If you call for the bull, be mindful of the horns as well. Surely, that’s a horse too puny from which one may be toppled.

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